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  Started at Mon Aug 19 11:12:35 2002
if jesster's gonna stir the pot with rehearsals, i'm doin' it with notes.

what are feelings on post-show notes?

necessary to improv?
stupid waste of time?
a total downer?

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Re: notes  
  Reply #1 Posted at Mon Aug 19 11:41:08 2002
Notes are so helpful. However, I hate hearing spesifics, because the same scene is never going to happen again. I want to hear more general things to work on, like acceptance or negativity or speaking up for the audience.
and I'm starting to think that maybe we should pad the performance a bit, and not do notes rightafter. then you have time to think back on the show yourself, and figure out what made it feel good or not-so-good.
still, notes are essential to learning good improv. if you're not willing to listen to suggestions and advice, you're not going to improve.


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Re: notes  
  Reply #2 Posted at Tue Aug 20 13:09:10 2002
My only concern with notes is that they are given by someone who was not in the skit. I can watch just about any skit and come up with a different way to play it, does that make it better? And being on the side gives one a 20/20 view of what happened. When you're on stage you don't have that type of vision. You've got to entertain (or do art if that's what your'e going through.)

I live improv with a simple rule. You can't take back what you said or did, so just do what you can to make it work.

With Quick Wits I will talk to actors after a skit if there was something that I felt they didn't see for themselves. In general I feel that most actor's know when they messed up and I don't need to bring it up again in front of everyone.

Also we have a very open "how can I be better" feel with all the actors. We all come to each other to see how they can improve.

I guess I'm not a fan of notes. Especially when they concentrate on the negatives. Improv has been my outlet for fun for almost nine years. Don't bring down my buzz.

Love to all...

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Re: notes  
  Reply #3 Posted at Tue Aug 20 13:47:32 2002
Bob

That's an interesting perspective on notes. I think a lot of people see notes as a critique, often taking something negative out of it, rather than an audience perspective and style commentary. Unfortunately, sometimes the person giving notes thinks that's what they are supposed to do, sometimes.

I agree with the whole being in a moment comment. The worst note to get is one that starts as "It might have been better if you did this...". It's improv. There's no taking it back.

The best notes always seem to be the positive. Pointing out how well someone did. How a scene went beautifully and why.

However, I personally like notes that are general and can be applied anywhere, not just in a specific scene. "Watch out for stage picture" "Did you realize you said 'damn' again?" "Great job giving focus" That way, if I see a pattern I can work on resolving it or taking it further in rehearsal.

But if you are giving group notes, the director (and actors) needs to not get specific. Touch on things peripherally and if further explanation is needed meet individually. I have no desire to hear what the inner mechanizations of someone's character at the time were what justified going on and on about platypus eggs. Blah tongue

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Re: notes  
  Reply #4 Posted at Thu Aug 22 14:38:32 2002
I like notes that will help me improve....not everyone is on the same level and I think that notes is a way to help me grow as an improviser. I agree that they should be general and on the positive side...but if i am doing things that are not helping me grow...I want to know what I can do.


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Re: notes  
  Reply #5 Posted at Tue Aug 27 02:14:59 2002
Here's the thing...

Notes can be great and awful.

When done properly, they are extremely valuable and can propel one's understanding of improv quite significantly.

When not done properly, they are...well, better off not done at all. More damage than good is often caused with poor notes.

NOW - a big problem...many well intending people simply don't know how to give notes properly. I have certianly experienced many, many examples of notes being done very well and very poorly, and have also seen the positive and negative effects of each. There is a scienece to it, one that is lengthy enough to occupy its own essay. It's tricky, complex business - but hey, so is improv is you want to do it right. But the bottom line is that notes can be great AND awful - it all depends on who's giving them.

Anyone who says notes = bad, I suspect has been victim of poor note givers only.

 
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Re: Re: notes  
  Reply #6 Posted at Wed Aug 28 09:37:36 2002

On Tue Aug 27 02:14:59 2002, Eldon wrote: (read quoted post)
Anyone who says notes = bad, I suspect has been victim of poor note givers only.
sidenote, hehe: i also think there is such a thing as poor note receivers. it's not a one-sided thing.

look, the point of notes is to make everyone better. it's not to put down anyone. the audience watches the show differently than a director or troupe leader. having a great show doesn't mean you can't improve things.

i agree with everything said. specifics are bad and should only be brought up if an example is asked for. however patterns of "bad" behavior (improv-wise) need to be addressed. i.e., blocking, not adding information, stage picture, offensive content, things that could be considered rude. although if these ARE patterns, then the specific instances should not be brought up.

however there's also a line. some things need not be brought up in notes. they need to be brought up in rehearsal instead. if the actor knew why it was bad, then bring it up in notes. if it will need practice or explanation, work on it in rehearsal instead. for example: half-assed pantomiming, losing character's p.o.v., stuff like that.

i have been thinking about this a lot lately.

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Re: notes  
  Reply #7 Posted at Wed Sep 4 09:01:37 2002
Uhhh... Note to self. Hee Hee I just wanted to post this in the note section.


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  Reply #8 Posted at Thu Sep 5 16:25:18 2002
Last Modified at Thu Sep 5 16:27:15 2002 by Jonny No No

Oh boy... Son Of Jar-el, you are a smart one. Would you like this bunt cake with...
Kryptonite
Sprinkles!!

Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..........


 
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Re: notes  
  Reply #9 Posted at Fri Sep 6 07:47:54 2002
That doesn't hurt me anymore. As you can tell I have sold my soul to the devil and therfore have no weaknesses. Well except for spelling?

Damn all of you.




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Re: notes  
  Reply #10 Posted at Wed Sep 11 15:28:35 2002
Here's a bit on notes I've been thinking about lately...

Just kidding.

I just wanted this topic to go hot. Hot. HOT! HOT!!!

Actually, some may have gotten the worng impression about my views on notes. I don't hate them, I just worry about how they are given. Anyone who has been on stage with me knows that I give them all the time. I'm just not a fan of everyone sitting around after a show. We've just done a show we'll never do again, let's go out and have some fun. If the notes are general, give them before the next show since that's when the actors will hve a better chance to have it in their minds. If it's specific, tell the actor one on one.

That's at least my views. I know that their are others, but that is what makes improv so great. Anyone who thinks they have all the answers is either lying or cheated and looked in the back of the book.

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Re: notes  
  Reply #11 Posted at Thu Sep 12 05:24:05 2002
Last Modified at Thu Sep 12 07:12:17 2002 by Jonny No No

I think that's the best take on notes that I've seen so far. Shame. Shame on you all for not coming up with it quicker. Good Day.









I SAID GOOD DAY!

 
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Re: notes  
  Reply #12 Posted at Thu Sep 12 06:07:10 2002
I disagree with BOB on this one... wait no I don't. Bob is a GOD!!! He also bought me half a playstation 2 so I can't say anything negative about him until next year.


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Re: notes  
  Reply #13 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:13:03 2002
You know, some other people helped out with that thing too! angry

 
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Re: notes  
  Reply #14 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:14:21 2002
Oh I believe that mr. I haven't had a job for the last year!! Do they take food stamps for that?


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Re: notes  
  Reply #15 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:15:30 2002
Someone didn't have any money after the Sandy away show... bitch!

 
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Re: notes  
  Reply #16 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:18:20 2002
Stop living in the past!


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Re: notes  
  Reply #17 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:19:34 2002
It's not my fault that I live in the William Past Apartment Complex!

 
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Re: notes  
  Reply #18 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:20:14 2002
Good God!confused


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Re: notes  
  Reply #19 Posted at Thu Sep 12 07:20:47 2002
Can't keep up?

 
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Re: Re: notes  
  Reply #20 Posted at Fri Sep 27 16:45:08 2002

On Wed Sep 11 15:28:35 2002, Bob Bedore wrote: (read quoted post)
We've just done a show we'll never do again, let's go out and have some fun. If the notes are general, give them before the next show since that's when the actors will hve a better chance to have it in their minds. If it's specific, tell the actor one on one.




I really like that idea. The notes I have been apart of lately, have been more general, more orientated towards overall improv, and the like, and small specifics come randomily. but one thing I don't always appreciate is doing them immediately after the show. I have seen many an actor had to leave the joy of sharing the show with a fan or friend or whoever, to go do notes. I am not saying don't do them, but why so quickly afterwards?

bob said something else in one of these posts on this site, something along the lines of letting the workshopper finish the scene, tell them afterwards where they messed up, who knows, they might fix it.
there are many times where I know I just messed up a bit, I realize it and try to keep that in my forethought. and a know what? no one can change what ya just did, thats why I appreciate more general notes, that will help me overall.....

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Re: Re: Re: notes  
  Reply #21 Posted at Sat Sep 28 13:08:46 2002

On Fri Sep 27 16:45:08 2002, redbeard wrote: (read quoted post)
along the lines of letting the workshopper finish the scene, tell them afterwards where they messed up, who knows, they might fix it.
actually, if someone new to improv has a bad habit - stopping it RIGHT when they do it would be the perfect time to point it out - it's the long stops, though, that bother me.



 
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Re: notes  
  Reply #22 Posted at Sat Sep 28 14:40:19 2002
Yes, Ryan, a bad habit needs to be stopped right whe it is done. That is not what I was talking about. If you've talked to an actor several times about doing something wrong and they've just done it again, go ahead and stop them, then they have a real time example.

The stoppage that I am talking about are not that type. I believe we all know what I'm talking about...

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Re: notes  
  Reply #23 Posted at Sat Jan 11 11:23:10 2003
how do you give positive notes and make sure everyone leaves happy after a really crappy show (not to say we havce EVER had a crappy show wink )


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Re: notes  
  Reply #24 Posted at Tue Jan 14 10:58:18 2003
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