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For Love of Improv?  
  Started at Sun Jan 19 23:08:14 2003
Would you do this for free? I've read many times from different people that they love doing improv, but do you love it enough to do it for free?

Is the payoff performing and having fun, or waiting until the end of the night for $$$$. I'm not even sure if all improv troupes get paid or not.

I pose this question because it seems like it depends. I've heard one actor say one night, "I love this, I'll never give it up, I'd do it for free." And the next night the ego kicks in and says "I deserve more. I'm worth more."

What is YOUR payoff? I would love to get some feedback on this.


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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #1 Posted at Sun Jan 19 23:32:49 2003
you know that is a greet thing to bring up dawn. i did it for free for almost two years and never once asked if i could get money for what i did. now that i get paid i look at it like maybe im ripping off the management because i do love it and would never expect payment. the only thing that ever did upst me was that fact that previous management paid certain actors that had started at the same time as me. not that i wanted it to, but it would have been nice to know that i was on the same level as them from that big breathing jerk. but if the management said sorry we cant pay you, then i would still most definetly play. its not the money that i do it for, its for the "love" of it.

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  Reply #2 Posted at Mon Jan 20 00:24:19 2003
Last Modified at Mon Jan 20 00:39:28 2003 by Jonny No No

All right, I’ve heard enough. I don’t want to hear one more bad thing about Charlie. Yes, Charlie. I’ve heard him come up several times now. The people talking about him haven’t even had the guts to call him by name. It’s time I set some things straight. Bob had to leave Clearfield to pursue getting the Quick Wits name re-established in Salt Lake City. Charlie didn’t ask to be put in charge of Clearfield. He had to. It was the only way the theatre would stay alive. Most of the actors left to help Bob. Charlie was left with all new actors with the exception of Matt Spear. Under these circumstances Charlie did an excellent job. Clearfield would have gone under if it wasn’t for him. Now everyone has had their differences with people from time to time, but I think everyone in Clearfield should show Charlie some more respect. You wouldn’t even be performing improv if it wasn’t for him. And this is the part that really pisses me off. You all weren’t even well established actors at the time. You were given a great opportunity and you all seem to forget who gave it to you. It wasn’t Bob Bedore, he wasn’t there. It was Charlie Ellis. And just to keep this semi on topic, Charlie never got a dime the whole time he was in Clearfield. Now, I can understand differences, but Charlie is part of my Quick Wits family so if you want to slander him in a public online forum, then you're slandering me and all the other Quick Wits as well. I don’t quite understand why so many actors from Clearfield need to vent their frustrations on this site but I for one would like you to knock it off.

I don’t want this to be another gossip thread. The only thing I want to hear in regards to my post is an apology to Charlie. Anything else can be private messaged or told to me in person. Keep the topics about Improv and not about your beef with your management or other actors. The immature thing to do is to bring them up here.

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Re: KNOCK IT OFF!  
  Reply #3 Posted at Mon Jan 20 07:39:18 2003
Last Modified at Mon Jan 20 07:40:07 2003 by Phirechild


On Mon Jan 20 00:24:19 2003, Jonny No No wrote: (read quoted post)
Clearfield would have gone under if it wasn’t for him. Now everyone has had their differences with people from time to time, but I think everyone in Clearfield should show Charlie some more respect. You wouldn’t even be performing improv if it wasn’t for him. And this is the part that really pisses me off. You all weren’t even well established actors at the time. You were given a great opportunity and you all seem to forget who gave it to you. It wasn’t Bob Bedore, he wasn’t there. It was Charlie Ellis. And just to keep this semi on topic, Charlie never got a dime the whole time he was in Clearfield.

P.S. Matt was not the only one. Seth was there too. wink
I agree with Jon here. During the time when Charlie was running Clearfield, I probably talked to him more than any other actor in Clearfield. I Can't say that I agree with everything he said and did, but he did work his butt off to keep things running up there. Not only did he not take pay for his services, but I know that he spent some of his own money to keep it running. So not only was he not making anything, but he was going in the hole on the deal.
THAT SHOWS THE LOVE FOR THE ART.

I will admit that I have poked fun at him from time to time for the most part it was in good fun, but I would like to appologize to anyone, especially Charlie, who felt that this was going too far.

OK Back on topic. Yes I would do it for free. I Have done it for free. I have performed for free almost exclusively for the past 13 years, not necessarily improv, but performing in general.
Yes I have been paid as well, for some of the performances(the actual number of productions I have been paid for I could count on one hand). The little extra that is recieved is nice, but generally not necessary.
I think where the ego problem with the actors being paid is when the actors begin to expect to be paid for their shows.



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Re: Re: KNOCK IT OFF!  
  Reply #4 Posted at Mon Jan 20 10:19:31 2003
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On Mon Jan 20 00:24:19 2003, Jonny No No wrote: (read quoted post)
Charlie is part of my Quick Wits family so if you want to slander him in a public online forum, then you're slandering me and all the other Quick Wits as well.
jon, he wasn't "slandered" till you mentioned his name. i had no idea that he was even talking about charlie. that prolly should have been a private message.

On Mon Jan 20 07:39:18 2003, Phirechild wrote: (read quoted post)
I think where the ego problem with the actors being paid is when the actors begin to expect to be paid for their shows.

i 100% agree with this. i hate hearing, "can i have a spot this weekend? i really need some money." i would rather NOT get paid. i think if you don't pay actors, you would see who is really doing it for the love of improv.

plus if any of us started a troupe by ourselves, there is no way the actors would get money for a while. i mean, in the real "starting a troupe" sense. like renting theater space, and advertising, and getting the name out there, and concessions, instead of having that HUGE advantage that most of the people on this board have had.

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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #5 Posted at Mon Jan 20 11:13:37 2003
I've said it before, and i'll say it again... I would pay money to do this. When I was in my college troupe, we always did it for free. I wasn't looking to join a troupe when I was invited to be in KYSOff (or when Lincoln asked me to come check out Skinny Lincolns' practices... I love that man!). I was intent on paying for classes so I could play. I missed it so much after college, but I never thought Utah had even one troupe, nevermind how many there are today.

I am glad to be able to have the privelege to play to audiences... especially large and (like last weekend) sold out audiences! When I tell people in Chicago and new Ypoork troupes how many people we perform in front of a night, they blanche. We don't realized how good we have it, especially with the size of performance space in Utah. I've seen big name places in chicago that can handle 50 people MAX.

So would I do it for free? That'd still be a bargain in my mind!

-Jesster

PS Best story I ever heard about Charlie was the first time he met Bob. Bob was frantically addressing box office issues when there was a problem in the bathroom. Charlie and his wife... strangers... asked if they could help. They've been coming back ever since. That man has a lot of love to give.


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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #6 Posted at Mon Jan 20 17:25:56 2003
I love doing improv and it certainly isn't because of the money. It's because I am certain that I will laugh good and hard at least three nights this week. It's becuase I get to play the goofiest games with some of the most genuine, honest, and cool people I know. Also, it's an outlet for the crazy zany side I have.

I have been doing improv for almost a year now and it wasn't until this December that I got my first pay check. Do, I really care about the money, no. Do I love to perform, yes.


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  Reply #7 Posted at Mon Jan 20 19:42:33 2003
I performed for around a year and a half without any pay. I am definitely not in it for the money, when more than improv is -required- then the line is altered in my mind.

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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #8 Posted at Mon Jan 20 22:48:28 2003
In a very real sense I pay to play, as I am using my own money to keep the theater in Clearfield going. A while back on another thread I said something like I worked about fourty hours a week at the theater to play for maybe six hours a weekend. What I didn't say was that I also work at another job right now about fifty hours a week to supply enough money to keep that theater going. And yes it's worth it. I love improv. I am so grateful for EVERYBODY that has gone before me to help prpare a way for me to do what I love. Imagine, I get the privilage of fourty hours a week working on a project that gives people so much enjoyment that they keep coming back. And for about fifty hours a week I am allowed the privalge to work to keep my dream alive. No sarcasm intended. THIS IS MY LIFES WORK. I have never felt as alive as I do when I am on stage.
I started to pay all of the actors in clearfield about a month after I got the lease on the theater. It costs me a minimum of Six hundred fourty dollars each month to do so. But I wanted to show everybody on stage and in the tech booth that I apprediated them. I started to notice that sone after egos became inflated. I am sure there is a corralation. But egos or not I still appreciate all that they do. On top of playing on stage each of the actors that are down there comply with my thater rules and work to keep the theater clean and repaired.
It's worth it to me. And I will find a way to pay them more as time goes on.


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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #9 Posted at Tue Jan 21 13:06:53 2003
I love doing Improv and would do it for free. I would also love to make great big bag of money doing it. I enjoy being able to get up on stage and getting crazy. Ive said it in previous posts and Ill say it again. Improv is my therapy, but i would love to be able to support my family by doing it. I would love to be able to quit my day job and live off of the money I would bring in with my ability. Im not just talking about show time. I would be willing to do anything it takes to be involved with the theater and make others just as much money.

I think I forgot my point so Ill make up a new one.


I would do this for free without a doubt. the reaction from the crowd is payment enough. we were doing an away show once in front of 1500 people and if youve ever heard 1500 people laugh at your line then you know what I mean about payment.

i have made improv my life and plan to continue to do it untill Im either dead or someone tells me to stop. thats a lie, Ill do it till im dead. Would I like to get rich and famous? Of course. Will I do it for free for the rest of my life? For sure !!!!!

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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #10 Posted at Thu Jan 23 19:13:38 2003
I have and will continue to do my part in keeping our theatre running. I love being able to pay the actors because (I don't know about other troupes but )our members do a volenteer monday show and workshop for 4 hours then they have a non-paied rehearsal on thuesday for 4 hours then a non-paied workshop for 2 hours on sat. If the theatre is taking in money it is because of the actors and we want to be able to at least pay for the gas it takes the actors to get to the theatre.
On a personal level I know It would be GREAT to get money to do what I love, and I want to help others do that but life sucks and sometimes you have to do sucky things to get money so that you can have time to do the things you love. I would love for Improv to no longer be a hobby but a carrer! (by the way I can not spell!)


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  Reply #11 Posted at Sat Jan 25 19:57:17 2003
look jon, the only reason that i say that is because he was a jerk to me. he never treated me with any respect. and yes bob did help me out and i took class with him, adam, austin, and matt. plus bob told me the first time i played. i played with bob down there for like three months. so for you to say that im bashing him is crap. he never treated anyone who had an opinon with any respect! and when anyone treats you like you are a stupid little kid, well to me thats crap man. you know we all tried to be there, but look now, not a word form anyone in slc. except jon h, andrew j, and paul w. charlie, bob, or anyone else never comes up to see how we are, why is that? i miss all you guys, because your the ones i started my improv thing with, and know charlie never even calls or tries to get a hold of us, even to ask us how were doing.
look i was just saying he was never cool to me.


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  Reply #12 Posted at Mon Jan 27 10:49:31 2003
And all this needed to be said publicly instead of in a private message because....


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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #13 Posted at Tue Jan 28 23:17:38 2003
I have no answer for that. Sorryembarassed



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  Reply #14 Posted at Wed Jan 29 10:32:26 2003
That's okay... the rugged good looks of your David Hasselhoff icon more than make up for it grin


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  Reply #15 Posted at Thu Jan 30 08:07:35 2003
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  Reply #16 Posted at Mon Feb 10 16:31:21 2003
I do it for the Improv....and the Bling Bling!


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  Reply #17 Posted at Fri Mar 14 23:06:24 2003
At one time, I was paid for doing improv. grin

Then I had to pay taxes on all that income. embarassed

Ever since, I've respectfully asked to no longer get paid for doing what I love, and I'm all the happier because of it. happy3


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Re: For Love of Improv?  
  Reply #18 Posted at Mon Jan 22 19:44:30 2007
A lot has changed in four years.........


I would do it for free, but want to be paid for it. Because I want improv to be valuable enough to people to want to pay people to do it.

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  Reply #19 Posted at Tue Jan 23 01:46:39 2007
Well I look at it this way. Say I got a call from Caleb to do a free show, if I had time, yes I do it. If Bob Called me up and said I need you for a show but I can't pay you, yes I do it because I miss playing with them and I owe the Quick Wits for making me what I am today. Would I Play week after week, no pay just play, probly not. Reason being is I can't afford to do it week after week for free. Currently I don't have a job, I go to school and I play when I can. Improv is my only self made source of income.And its not as if the pay is good any ways most the time for me it pays for gas and a bite to eat after the show and if it pays for that then I will continue to do it until no one wants me to.


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  Reply #21 Posted at Thu Jan 25 00:33:40 2007

On Mon Jan 22 19:44:30 2007, Jack Diamond wrote: (read quoted post)
A lot has changed in four years.........


I would do it for free, but want to be paid for it. Because I want improv to be valuable enough to people to want to pay people to do it.

-Jake


I too would and I do it for free all the time. I want improv valuable to the people who do improv enough to where they would (I would) pay to play.

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