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Judging others  
  Started at Tue Jun 7 15:01:50 2005
I judge others onstage.

When I am performing and while I am at a show I grade the people onstage. I am critical and judgemantal.

I believe this is a bad habit, and in some way holding me back. I am trying to quit.
The people I look up to in the community don't seem to possess this habit, and I look up to them for this reason (among others). These people always seem to convey positivity and encouragement towards others. Everyone they play with is "great" and they are "excited to play" with whoever they are onstage with. These people are fantastic onstage, and I am beginning to think these 2 things are related. If you genuinely love everybody onstage, are you a better improvisor because of that?

ARE my actions bad?
ARE my actions holding me back?
Do others do this?






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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #1 Posted at Wed Jun 8 10:12:59 2005
Judging is pretty human. You will just feel more comfortable with certain people. Like, let's say your avatar was really wide. I'd judge that.

However, being able to work with anyone is different. If you can support a person they will love you for it. Treat every mistake like gold rather than being a dick and calling it out or lie there blatant and unsupported. Some of the funnest work that I've done is when a perceived "mistake" is fully embraced, supported, and played with.

So judging is ok, letting it interfere with the show is not.

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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #2 Posted at Wed Jun 8 10:15:55 2005
Last Modified at Wed Jun 8 10:17:30 2005 by Anchorman

Joe,

I think your actions are great...if your teaching a class. But, onstage, I dont know if there is a place for it. Don't get me wrong, your a great improviser and one of my favorites, but I don't know if I like to be in a scene with you and if I happen to mess up, you'd be seeing the bad parts of the scene instead of the good. I can't see it when your onstage, though, but I can't say I've if seen a scene with you in it where there has been a situation like that. So I'd try to fix it. I think we've all had a scene or two that we criticize the other person(or persons) in our head and then try to carry a scene, but I don't think we can make it habit. I hope I'm not sounding like a jerk...

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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #3 Posted at Wed Jun 8 13:11:11 2005
Like Jesse said, I don't think anyone is free of judging, even people who seem to love playing with everyone. You're always going to run across people you'd rather not do scenes with, so you just have to tell yourself, I'm going to be professional and support that person just like I would anyone else.

It's important to try to keep an open mind...people will always surprise you with brilliant moves that you didn't think they had in them. Supporting and respecting on stage helps bring that out.


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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #4 Posted at Wed Jun 8 20:07:45 2005
ok, joe... i'll ask what everyone else is thinking...

who?

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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #5 Posted at Thu Jun 9 08:32:25 2005
Everyone!

If I have seen you or played with you, I have thought about you.

It sounds bad at first, but I suspect everybody does this....evaluates other people.

At first it was whether or not I could even DO the things I was seeing onstage. creativity, balls, flexibility.

But now I am looking towards the crowd. I want to see what works with the crowds, and also what the other actors appreciate.

And recently I have noticed that what the crowd likes, and what the other actors like can be drastically different.

I appreciate the feedback so far and I understand that this subject can be scary. Hell, I think I may have alienated some people. The last thing I want is for people to not want to play with me for fear that I am a judgemental prick.

The truth is I am grateful to be onstage, and playing with other people. I haven't played long enough to develop some moster ego where I will only play with certain people. Jesse is right, everyone has something to add, to teach.

But I can't stop my mind from thinking about others and they way they go about their craft.


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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #6 Posted at Thu Jun 9 16:26:11 2005
Last Modified at Fri Jun 10 13:47:58 2005 by Toys

The best thing (for me) to do is have lots of fun. If you're not having fun, nobody's having fun. the people you're on stage with, the audience, the sound guy, and the lady who passes out cigars like peanuts. They will not enjoy the show. Don't think of it as work. Think of it as playing a sweet kick ass game with a group of friends.

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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #7 Posted at Thu Jun 9 17:35:44 2005
If you're watching me perform, then, by all means, judge me. That's your job as an audience member.

If, however, you are performing, and you spend time analyzing what's going on and what is good/bad about it, then you are still being an audience member.

Be an actor, instead.

Will judging other actors piss people off? Who cares? I don't. What I care about is the quality of the work. And, if someone is wasting time thinking rather than doing, then the quality of the work is going to suffer. So is it holding you back? I'd say, "YES."

Do others do it? Yes. In fact, this state of judgement is what many improvisers call "being stuck in your head." I highly recommend reading Improvise, by Mick Napier. To summarize, rather than worry about not judging others, do something proactive, instead. Create a strong character, with a strong point of view, and then feel your way through the scene from that character's perspective.

Something I would also recommend is surrounding yourself with improvisers you trust. When I'm on stage with Jesse, it's one thing for me to say, "I don't have time to judge him." It's an even better thing to say "I trust him completely, so I wouldn't want to judge him, even if I did have time."

Finally, remember that judging yourself is just as damaging as judging others.


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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #8 Posted at Fri Jun 10 02:58:25 2005
Judge.

Judge judge judge.

Not onstage, and not maliciously. Judge your support, your strength of conviction in a scene, and whether or not you're actually growing as a performer. Yes, anyone you're on stage with IS good enough to be up there with you, and that shouldn't even be a question in your mind. All you can truly control in improv is your own actions, and wasting time and bitchiness on others is silly.

I promise you, you're never the best.


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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #9 Posted at Tue Jun 14 14:52:33 2005
Thanks for all your input.


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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #10 Posted at Wed Sep 21 15:05:20 2005
Great comments from everyone. I agree with Joe about judge all the time... except when you're on stage with them. (of course I'm paraphrasing and probly got it a little wrong, but the feeling is there).

When you're on stage you have to be "on stage" and not in your head thinking about all the stuff that is right or wrong. Anyone who has heard my teaching/rantings knows that in my mind, everything on stage is "right" because it happened and can't be undone.

But judging what you're watching is how you learn. Just be careful to avoid the trap of always looking at a scene with an eye toward "how could I have done it better". It's a tough trap because you're looking at it with a "hindsight is 20/20" vision.

Jady is absolutely correct... you're never the best. And that thought should always push you to try and be better. Watching how others do their craft (good and bad) is one of the best ways to achieve this... the other is doing.

And never forget... knowing is half the battle.

Hmmm... G.I. Joe never tells us what the other half is... the fraud!!

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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #11 Posted at Fri Nov 11 02:30:14 2005
i judge people when they suck on stage...there is something about being a natural that makes you a good improviser...sorry it's true...pack up and go home people with no talent, that means you dipshit.

 
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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #12 Posted at Fri Nov 11 02:37:07 2005
OUCH!!

But I must agree. How can you not roll your eyes and want to hide in a corner when your scene partner sucks the mighty balls of the devil himself.

 
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Re: Judging others  
  Reply #13 Posted at Fri Nov 11 02:40:20 2005
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It's true, the devil has mighty balls, and they will make you cum..to hell.

 
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