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two cents too far  
  Started at Mon Aug 13 20:05:23 2007
If you ask me advice is thrown around alot. How do you decipher other peoples improv advice from good advice and bad advice? When should and shouldnt you volunteer advice to fellow improvisers? Also what should you do if you dont want someones advice?


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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #1 Posted at Wed Aug 15 10:50:11 2007
Unsolicited advice is annoying.

Advice that is general and in a forum like this needs to be filtered through your own beliefs.

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #2 Posted at Sun Aug 19 15:54:50 2007
My whole improv life has been with the thought that I can learn something from everyone. I've learned that advice is just that... advice. It's not an accounting of what is 100% right or wrong in improv, it's just someone's thoughts on what works for them.

From these bits of advice I take what I think will work within my abilities and framework of what I want to accomplish.

I look at improv as a great melting pot of information. It's not math where 2 and 2 equal 4. It's the same as any artistic expression. You know what you like and you know what you can do.

So with all that being said... I think that any advice is good advice. Take it for what it's worth and use it if you think it works for you. "Bad" advice (as far as you're concerned) can also be helpful because it makes you think about why you consider it "bad" and it helps you dive into the things that work for you stronger.

There are many examples of where I disagree with advice that has been given, but don't take that to mean that I think the advice shouldn't have been given or is "wrong". Some people might have agreed and grown because of the advice that I didn't agree with... and my fighting for my thoughts on the topic only show (and renew) the passion I have on the topic and improv in general.

I say we should have more advice (or ideas) expressed on this site. The debate is healthy and the lessons learned from both sides is very valuable.

If you keep doing the same thing you've always done, you'll never move forward...

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #3 Posted at Sun Aug 19 21:07:04 2007
Well said Bob. I agree that not all advice is as helpful to everyone as it may be for one. I also think that playing the role of devil's advocate in a discussion can lead to further thought and understanding. Not everyone has to agree with someone's advice and it may be better not to always take it right away. It would be better to question it in your own mind first and then decide for yourself. This is one way you can "filter" advice and then take it for what its worth- to you personally.

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #4 Posted at Tue Aug 21 22:27:34 2007
This site has fallen to the dark side before Bob. People have openly gave advice on this site and it has made them lose credibility, and worse has started anger and hatred among the community. I love advice and I agree that you must observe and learn from everyone, but some people push there ideas too much or take offense to someone elses opinion. I love advice, when it is appropriatly placed. I hate advice when I feel it is pressed on me. Say I take a workshop and the teacher/coach says "Calvin you talk to much shut up in your scene!" wink I can take that advice and use it in many ways, which I did. As to advice I say dont agree with, "Dont be as physical in your scenes."
I also agree that advice is very subjective, but what is the check list you go through to seperate advice that works for you or if you can shrug it off. Maybe this is a thread we can all learn from.

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #5 Posted at Wed Aug 22 11:50:52 2007
I think that there is a bi of a difference to what is done here on this site -- which isn't much lately -- and what is done in a class or rehearsal.

Here I think all ideas can be thrown into the mix and we take from them what we want. I'll admit I've gotten a little heated at times, but the point I've always tried to make is that we can't just say that there is "one way" to make improv work. The thread with Austin a while back is a good example of that.

And, in honesty, it took me a while to realize that was what I was trying to say. My passion for this made me seem like an ass at times. For that I'm sorry.

I just want people to know that they can say whatever they want, but they should also keep in mind that it works for them and that doesn't mean that it's the only way.

I wish we'd get more of open advice (especially from those who've been doing this for a long time) on this site. I think we owe it to everyone who paid to sit in the crowd and now wants to try it themselves.

As for a class or rehearsal... you should listen to whatever the teacher/owner says. In a class you're there to learn from the teacher. Maybe you don't learn what you thought you'd learn, but just like in any classroom situation you are a student and should think in those terms.

In a rehearsal the coach/owner knows what they want from THEIR show. If you aren't doing what works for their vision you either have to change or move on. That's probably why so many new groups sprouted up a while back.

Just like no idea should be blocked on stage during a scene, no idea should be blocked when it comes to advice.

I only offer this... Phrase your advice in a matter that goes with the "Yes, And" philosophy of improv. If you say that there is no way something will work, it's not different than denying someones reality. I've often seen people who consider "Yes, And" to be the one rule you can't break on stage and then shut the door in people's faces in real life.

If improv is an extention of life, we should live by some of it's rules during life... and the biggest of those is to treat everyone with respect. I've lost sight of that one from time to time, but I'm trying to do better...

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #6 Posted at Thu Aug 23 13:57:55 2007
I think this site is all about a free exchange of ideas. Advise giving is the same as manifestos or statements. In person, I think it's a little more blatant.

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #7 Posted at Fri Aug 24 00:52:36 2007
I love this site. It has helped me out tremendously and I refer all my students here. Im glad to see the response I got! Thanks all for the advice on um advice.

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #8 Posted at Fri Aug 24 09:59:45 2007
I'm not sure I agree that giving advise is the same as a manifesto... but who am I to say...

When I give advise I tend to think that I'm offering up some ideas to consider... things that I think will work based on my observation. But I've learned that improv is not the same for everyone and it might not work for them.

I give advise to my kids and let them choose what to do. I also give them manifestoes and TELL them what to do. There is a big difference.

But I have seen people give adives that really isn't advise, it's their "my way or the highway" view of how to do improv... I get a little bored with that.

Still, I wish this site was getting used more. I urge all of you to talk to memebers of your troupe and get them more involved...

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #9 Posted at Sat Aug 25 19:09:43 2007
Fee Fi Fo Fum I smell the spelling of and english man! Damn you bob being all proper. We spell our advice with a C! Do you put a U favor? I have faith this site will pick up again! Why the hell not?

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #10 Posted at Tue Aug 28 03:47:49 2007
I'd like to use this site more. It's been a great place for improvisors to meet for a long time. I wish I knew a way to breathe more life into it.

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Re: two cents too far  
  Reply #11 Posted at Fri Aug 31 11:01:55 2007
Thanks for over looking the spelling...

I will let you advise me anytime...

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