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A Long Form Idea???  
  Started at Mon Mar 24 12:45:36 2003
I know this is strange coming from me, but I have an idea for a long form and I want to get some ideas on it. Although I'll probly just find out that it's already being done and that I'm a moron... But if it's already being done, at least I'll know the best way to do it.

It's called "Following Shot".

The idea is for a scene to take place and somewhere during it we have antoher character or characters enter into the scene. They are very much "bit players" in the scene and likely have no lines. Then they "leave" the scene, but actually the scene follows them to wehre ever they were going and we see that scene. Then another person comes in and the process continues.

It's sort of like the old Monty Python bits where they would do something like this.

Of course, in my mind I see the whole thing ending back up at the same scene that started it, but that's just me and my "gimmick" mentality.

I'm very interested to see this tried (though ti won't likely be at a normal "Quick Wits" show), and to get feed back on what you think. Especially some of the KYSOff players who are more familiar with long form than myself.

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #1 Posted at Mon Mar 24 15:20:10 2003
It's a little bit like a Character Chain or Entrances and Exits, except that there is more emphasis on the 3rd character (or second pair, or whatever).

For clarification for those who may not understand what I am talking about: A Character Chain involves one character from a scene being in the next scene with another person in a totally different environment (usually to further define that character). The trick is usually not to talk about or put too much emphasis on the last scene. Where Entrances and Exits tries to enforce the two people on stage rule by saying as soon as a third character enters, another character has to exit.

Could be neat to draw out. I have this image of a movie opener where the camera closely follow one conversation throughout a location, then abruptly stops and focuses on another conversation or interaction. Those things give me goosebumps.

I think it could be really simple as an expansion of Entrances and Exits, tho. The convention could be that as soon as another group gets on stage, the original group finds an excuse to leave so focus can change. Just thinking out loud here. I think there is also something similar in Truth in Comedy as an opener, but if you had everything in a restaurant or at the Mall or something, you could draw it out much longer.

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #2 Posted at Mon Mar 24 18:41:52 2003
isn't this sort of what long form is about? except there is not a person moving from scene to scene, it is the audience?

it might make it cooler that here is a character... and we could see the character's reactions and get to know him or her by his or her reactions... actually that could be really fun!


 
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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #3 Posted at Mon Mar 24 22:03:10 2003
Yeah, the idea is basic in long form, but I see this as a little different. Jesse hit it right on the head when he talked about it being a movie type shot. That's exactly what I was going for.

The idea is that the actor leaves the one location or scene and goes to another to be met by others. It's like a scene starts out in a hardware store with two workers talking about their boss. A third person comes in an buys a drill from them and leaves. But we "follow" this new guy home and leave the workers. The new guy goes and works on his fence with his buddies and then a delivery guy pulls up and gives them a pizza. Then we follow the delivery guy as he goes back to the pizza place (or to another house -- whatever), and something new happens.

It's a bit like everything is slightly effected by others. But I like the fact that focus keeps changing. It also forces actors to work more with the scene that is one stage directly instead of just starting a new one with some basis on the former.

But as I said, I'm a neebie to the long form idea and don't have the vast knowledge of some of you out there. I just like the idea, that's all.

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #4 Posted at Tue Mar 25 00:13:59 2003
ohhhhhh,

that's totally cool. that's a lot like a character chain, but cooler.

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #5 Posted at Tue Mar 25 12:31:39 2003
I think the hardest part would be the transistion. How do you clearly indicate that focus will change? My solution would be an Entrance/Exit type of approach, where the addition of a 3rd or 4th person on stage indicates to the people with focus to wrap up.

Edits of this type can be very interesting, as the actors need to realize they are being edited. The new character speaking up and doing a quick Split Scene to enable the first actor(s) to get off would be helpful.

Tying it to one location, at least at first, would help keep this simple. Then, as the actors get used to the form, take off the training wheels and see if you can "follow the shot", so to speak.

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #6 Posted at Wed Mar 26 07:52:34 2003
I agree Jesse...

When the new actor comes on stage it should be clear to the scene that is going on that it their's is coming to an end.

This can be something like the "delivery boy" approach where the new character has direct contact with the old scene, or something more subtle like two guys planning a drug deal and a third person comes on stage so they freak out and leave. There are several things that could work as a reason for the previous scene to end.

Also, the new scene can take place anywhere. What if the delivery boy dropped off the pizza and then suddenly won a trip to Pairs and had to board a plane that second. Now our location has changed drastically.

But for now it's all in my head and I've never even given it a working try. If you guys get a chance run it and when I do we can compare notes.

I'm going to put a "long form" section in the second book so I've been looking into the form a bit harder than I normally would. I would like to have this game in that section, but want to work the bugs out.

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #7 Posted at Wed Mar 26 08:46:47 2003
I think I read a description of a game like this somewhere, probably at the Improv encyclopedia since they have descriptions of like 300 games.
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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #8 Posted at Sun Apr 20 10:07:06 2003
I just talked to Trent at Comedysportz last night, and he said they do this long form. He gave the example of a scene that was going on, and someone jogged past the scene. Then the next scene followed that jogger. He said it is really fun to play.

I saw them before and saw a Shakespeare and a Musical long form, and thought they did those every week. I was mistaken though - it seems they try different ones all the time!

I think I'm gonna go check out their show this Thursday night in Provo... anyone wanna come?



(by the way, from what i gather, they "practice" too - i just read the other post, tongue )


 
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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #9 Posted at Thu May 8 01:20:40 2003
You know I was lucky enough to be able to try out this idea. We tried it in class one day. My thought is that this game can be WONDERFUL, as long as everyone is aware of what is going on. Otherwise it can go horribly wrong. It takes a big awareness of the rules to play this i.e. no pimping, don't shoot for the one liner jokes let them develop etc. It was tons of fun and I'd play it again in a heart beat.


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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #10 Posted at Thu May 8 09:32:10 2003
Awesome! Sounds like it was a blast!

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #11 Posted at Mon Jun 2 14:06:51 2003
I think Comedy Sportz provo did something very much like this last thursday as the 2 long form of the evening.


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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
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  Reply #14 Posted at Fri Jun 6 05:37:24 2003
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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #15 Posted at Mon Jun 9 21:50:12 2003
it seemed very much like this long form, kinda gimmiky.


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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #16 Posted at Mon Jun 16 13:32:11 2003
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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #17 Posted at Sun Jul 13 14:10:34 2003
I actually think this is really a cool idea. Kind of reminds me of the movie Magnolia.......
Everyone is connected...somehow.

We should try it at a KYSoff reheasal...

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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #18 Posted at Tue Jul 22 17:21:19 2003
When I played this game it was a blast. I think it went on for about an hour and a half. the farther you got into it the cooler it became. you kinda of form this small little town of people, and becomes very interesting when you re-introduce characters. so pretty soon you have the bank robber talking with the bowling alley pinchaser.

Its a great game you guys should try it.!!!
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Re: A Long Form Idea???  
  Reply #19 Posted at Sun Jul 27 22:17:40 2003
I love that game! We just played it yesterday in quickwits class when Charley was teaching us. It was kind of chaotic in this game because we all forgot to follow the people that came in, and it wound up being just a bunch of people coming in and out without much location change, but it was still pretty funny. I've played it a few times in class, but never seen it done in a show before. I know you tried it at least once Bob, but I missed that showsad


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