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How do you know??  
  Started at Thu Apr 3 11:02:09 2003
I've been told a bunch of different theories on how to know if you are "ready" to go on stage or not, like "Its when YOU feel ready" "Wait til someone in a posistion of authority tells you so" etc.
It's all SO confusing.
I've been taking improv classes, workshops and doing stuff on my own for over a year now, and while I'm not on stage yet, that isn't what's bothering me. I was told a while ago that I was "ready" so to speak, but then I fell back a little, and I need to get back over that little hub. But if I was "ready" then, why wasn't I told then, and put on for a trial period then?? I just don't know...
I feel ready enuf..... I know a lot, not as much as the veteran actors, sure, but more than a lot of people in my class! I can play with anybody, I strive to do my best always, but how do I KNOW?
If anyone has anything to offer in way of advice, or ANYTHING, it'd be great..........

Thanks! Jen :P


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #1 Posted at Thu Apr 3 11:18:34 2003
Being "Ready", is in the eye of the beholder. I have seen people that could be great on stage, except for some flaw in their performance. The harder it is to quantify this flaw, the harder is is to be "Ready". Some people just explode one day, like they are coming out of a cocoon. My expeirence with teaching is like this: You cannot teach something, that someone is either unwilling or unable to learn. The great thing about improv, is that growth is exponitial, and the more we learn, the greater our capacity for learning expands.

Of course these are just my opinions. I would love to hear what others have to say on the subject.


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #2 Posted at Thu Apr 3 11:54:50 2003
The trick is, unless you own a troupe or venue you have to prove to someone you are ready. This is a big mix of stuff, depending who you are with.

Some owners/directors consider the fact that you are interested and they know you ready. Some require an internship of some sorts. Some use auditions. It really is a mix.

My advice would be to ask a troupe owner what you need to do to get on stage. It might be something you can work on. It might be something you have no control over. Bottom line is that people who are eager, work on their stuff, and show improvement usually stand out.

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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #3 Posted at Sun Apr 6 03:45:42 2003
You can attend workshops and take classes and watch shows until the cows come home, but you won't know until you get on stage. Don't wait until you feel ready. Acting is about shattering self barriers, and pushing yourself outside your comfort zone. Get up on stage, suck, get really pissed off at yourself, learn, then steadily get better.

There's only one way to know if you're ready... test it. wink


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Re: Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #4 Posted at Sun Apr 6 19:58:48 2003

On Sun Apr 6 03:45:42 2003, Daveyboy wrote: (read quoted post)
Acting is about shattering self barriers, and pushing yourself outside your comfort zone.

That's GREAT advice. more people need to realize that making light of personal things/situations about yourself is what everyone wants to see. if you can laugh at yourself then others can laugh at you too.



 
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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #5 Posted at Mon Apr 7 23:30:49 2003
I understand and appreciate all of this, but what if I haven't been put in a position to go on and mess up and learn?? I've only done workshops. One rookie show, a few scattered rookie rounds and that's all. I'm trying really hard, and I know of no one who laughs at me as much as I do.
I love improv, and I'll NEVER stop doing it, wherever, whenever, so why is it so blastedly hard to get anywhere?? I look at having fun and doing well as the top priorities for my improv, and I am having a blast, but ppl say things that make me go, "Hm....." Y'know??

Well, thanks all, keep em coming! wink

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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #6 Posted at Tue Apr 8 15:30:48 2003
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Iím not sure who you are currently trying to be an ďup-and-comingĒ for, but have you considered a different troupe? I know there are numerous troupes out there looking for excellent new talent. Let me ask you this, have you asked your manager what it is that is keeping you from being on stage? I would make him/her be very specific about what area(s) need improvement. This way you will have a goal, instead of just going to the workshops hoping by some arbitrary reason you are finally good enough to be on stage. However, if the manager thinks that you will never be good enough to be on stage, than he/she needs to be candid about that too. Iíve seen too many people who attended workshop after workshop spending their time (and in some cases their money) in hopes of becoming the next improv star. Whereas, the fact of the mater is, unless some of these people got a personality transplant, there is no way that they are going to be on stage.

To those managers out there who have people that fall into this category, grow a set and tell them what your plans are with them. If you know that you are not going to put them on stage, ever, tell them now! If these people still choose to come to the workshops, great. At least you will feel better knowing that they are attending for the right reasons and not some false pretence.

I hope this letter didnít discourage you. Honesty is always the best policy.wink

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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #7 Posted at Tue Apr 8 22:40:23 2003
I thought that I had asked, and I was given a very vague answer...... I will ask again, and I've already been looking into other troupes, I just haven't found the guts to leave the place I'm shooting for, I'm sentimental that way. Every time I hint about leaving, the manager tells me not to go, but he will not say why. I feel like I'm being babysat half the time........ I dunno......
Thanks for all this, it's actually helping, I'm just a little slower than some.... ;P

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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #8 Posted at Tue Apr 8 22:44:01 2003
what about blackmail? or! how about poison on the night of a show? if someone "can't" perform, then you could take their place!

i'm just kidding and bored.


 
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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #9 Posted at Wed Apr 9 00:40:22 2003
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Jen,

Jon here from QWSLC. I would like to invite you down to Salt Lake this Saturday for our weekly improv class. It's from 2-4. I don't think Jake would mind. After the class we'd be happy to talk with you about how you did, if there is anything you need to improve on, and the best way to get on stage. Hope to see you there!

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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #10 Posted at Wed Apr 9 16:00:16 2003
I agree with jesse on this one...


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #11 Posted at Wed May 7 14:34:49 2003
I guess you could do what I did, keep bugging them enough till they are forced to a) put you on stage or b) call the cops


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #12 Posted at Fri May 23 07:19:28 2003


I think we should have one of those pregnancy strips converted to let us know whether or not we are ready to perform improv... Brilliant!! shocked


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #13 Posted at Fri May 23 07:42:13 2003
improv. strips eh? if you don't believe in yourself that's like using a condom. in my opinion being ready for stage isn't about doing good all the time. but having fun all the time and playing with anyone and everyone with complete trust that you and that person will do a great job.

 
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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #14 Posted at Fri May 23 09:00:42 2003
oh I believe in myself, I just want to invent something so I can make millions. Millions I tell you!! angry


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #15 Posted at Fri May 23 09:26:16 2003
The analogies in this thread are killing me! Hilarious!!

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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #16 Posted at Sat May 24 10:30:50 2003
You guys are all mad! Mad I say! Thats why I keep you around, though! wink
Well, I have good news! I have been in 2 whole shows and I am in a troupe. Not the one I was originally trying for, but y'know. I am having a good time, and learning more stage presence and loudness, my to big weaknesses. I have gotten to play with all but 1 of my favorite improvisers, too! That in and of itself is pretty cool, to me! ;P

Well, then ttfn *Jen


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #17 Posted at Mon May 26 16:36:30 2003
I say your ready when you know your ready. If you've been doing classes and understand the basic rules of improv and you have the passion to get up there, then do it! If your with a troupe that won't let you then find another one. If you know that you can get up there do what it takes to make hundreds of people to laugh, then your ready dammit!!

 
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  Reply #18 Posted at Tue May 27 15:36:05 2003
I've been playing for a month or two now and I still don't think I'm "ready" I think everyone should be willing to learn and get better...when you don't you get stale! I'm sure I annoy all the other actors in my troupe when I'm constantly asking how was that?
The point is that we are all learning and getting better, and need to be!


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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #19 Posted at Tue May 27 15:48:08 2003
i don't care how many years you have been playing or how many books you have studied on improv., you can always get better. 3 w's of improv. wit, willing, and wisdom. i know you can at least be working on your wisdom. new things are discovered every day, and you never know all the games. i think if you stop tring to get better in improv., you have stopped doing improv.

 
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Re: Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #20 Posted at Tue May 27 18:00:26 2003

On Tue May 27 15:48:08 2003, shauna wrote: (read quoted post)
i think if you stop tring to get better in improv., you have stopped doing improv.

YAY! I love it!




 
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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #21 Posted at Tue May 27 22:32:01 2003
No joke, Nynja. I went to one of the "exclusive" workshops tonight (the one I'd been trying to get into for a year) and half the time, I had NO CLUE what was going on, who was sposed to do what or anything. But I learned 2 new games, saw different ways to do things, and almost had a captivating theory discussion w\ my best guy friend (hes in the troupe).
I think that if you stop learning stuff when you workshop, your heart isn't in it. And also, even if you get on stage, if you think 'heck, I'm done, I did it' then you shouldn't have been put on in the first place. Improv isnt about glory, or money or anything like that. It is an art, and if you love it you'll always find new amazing things, even if you're playing a game you've played a million times! I know all the good improvers do, they show their love of the art thru their dedication, even when they aren't happy with someone, or they're tired, anything. They love it, and nothing, nothing, can keep them from it.
I play the piano, it is my drug. I think of improv on the same plane as playing music. If your heart isn't in it, then you'll never go far. And part of putting your heart into something is being willing to be hurt for it.
Some li'l things I've picked up..... Y'know what? I seem to think more...ah.... intelligently (?) when I'm slightly tired........ Odd...... grin



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Re: Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #22 Posted at Wed May 28 09:19:53 2003

On Tue May 27 22:32:01 2003, Princess*Fer wrote: (read quoted post)
I think that if you stop learning stuff when you workshop, your heart isn't in it. And also, even if you get on stage, if you think 'heck, I'm done, I did it' then you shouldn't have been put on in the first place. Improv isnt about glory, or money or anything like that. It is an art, and if you love it you'll always find new amazing things, even if you're playing a game you've played a million times!

AMEN SISTER!!

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Y'know what? I seem to think more...ah.... intelligently (?) when I'm slightly tired........ Odd...... grin



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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #23 Posted at Wed May 28 17:45:34 2003
by the way, i love it that at least 4 groups in utah rehearse/practice regularly.

i'm off to a practice in about 10 minutes!

yay for striving to improve!


 
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Re: How do you know??  
  Reply #24 Posted at Thu May 29 09:40:47 2003
Actually, it's more than that:

Practice/Rehearse:
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ComedySportz SLC
ComedySportz Provo
Quick Wits: Clearfield
Knock Your Socks Off (KYSOff)
Off the Wall

Don't Practice/Rehearse:
Laughing Stock
Quick Wits: SLC

To each their own, I say. Two of the troupes with members that have been doing this for almost 10 years don't practice/rehearse and they are still around.

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